Jordan interview:
M: I still havent seen any reason to believe there are extraerrestrials. People who have these experiences. Have you changed any of your views?
J: No, not at all, it’s just been reinforced even more. The things you were just talking about – those are things that I call red flags in ufology. Red flags meaning things that don’t make sense, things that make you stop and go well, lets take a differnet look at this. Things aren’t looking right here – what I call the red flags of ufology. I just published a book with that title, Red Flags of Ufology at the beginning of this year. I’ve got 40 chapters in there of things that don’t make sense. But when you take all those things that don’t make sense, and you put it all together to make a picture, it starts to make more sense, than what theyre trying to sell us with theyre narrative.
M: He was all over the news last week – exorcist from Washington, DC.
J: on Rossetti and Ripperger: Yes, both said they were demonic.
M: What about these alleged crashes. the one that supposedly occured in 1930 in Rome, and 1931 – cape girardeau, 1945 trinity, the Roswell, then Aztec. What do you make of the phsyicality?
j: We don’t have any evidence and theyre not producing anything to show us they have physicality but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or it can’t exist? . Looking at this biblical, I believe it can exist. If this is demonc in nature, do they have the ability to leave something that’s physical. Can a manifestation remain? That’s the question. A spiritual manifestation into the physical. Do we have any examples in scripture that show that? We do have some. But we know that it’s talking about God’s angels and we know most likely we’re still dealing with spiritual entities. Whether you are want to title them by heirarchy – lets just say it’s demonic. God’s angels aren’t doing this. But the ability that these entities have is what we’re talking about. So, looking at it from the abilities in Scripture from God’s messenger angels, yes, i believe they leave this.
Diana Pasulka says what these things are leaving us is a “gift” she uses the term “a gift” – the idea is that the physical manifestation that seem to remain is to reinforce the whole delusion. What I see this whole thing as, I see it from the perspective, from a biblical perspective, the effect it has on people is mirroring everything we see in scripture from 2nd Thessalonians,chapter 2. the strong delusion – everything that we’re seeing fits that. What this is? I don’t know, but it sure looks like it. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. So, that’s what I’m seeing here. Everything is going to be out on the table to ‘
perpetrate this delusion. The demonic forces are the ones perpetrating it, but what you have to look at is who is behind it? Who’s the puppet master? Scriputre says that God himself sends the strong delusion, This is very much like the story of Job, where Satan came and asked God that he wanted to test Job to see how strong his faith was. God allowed that to happend. this is exactly what’s happening now. But, satan had limitations put on him as to what he could do to Job, right? we see that same limitations now.
M: Smell of sulphur, occult phenomena, materialization, angles turned physical at times, angel dust, left phsically, the list is pretty long. Interesting to see not only this movie, seems kind of suspicious the way it’s coming out right now. What do you think of that . do you think elements of the govt are coordinating with him?
J: Its a good possibliity. Can we prove it – I don’ think we can, unless somebody comes out and says that. But it looks like it but at least at the minimum, he’s taking advantage of this particular time. He could have put this movie out at any time. He’s the one – he’s the money maker….this whole thing is about money for him, it’s not about truth. He’s going to say whatever it takes to get ticket sales. That’s what this is about. This is going to be a blockbuster film no doubt, but it’s because of the timiing.
M: So far I havent’ been impressed with what the governement has released.
Well, you’re not going to be. They don’t have it and heres the thing about disclosure, the way I see it. They have a narrative that they’re pushing and it’s not a good looking narrative, if you are a Christian, becuase the way they are doijng this disclosure, I’ve seen this before. Keep in mind, all these whistleblowers, all these big names behind disclosure movement, they are all former intelligence. That ought to tell you
something. These are the guys that have been paid to become professionals at deceiving and we’re supposed to trust them all. That’s what we’re up against. What we’re seeing here amd Luis Elizondo is the best example of it – he is genius whoever trained him – did a great job. But, I started seeing it right from the beginning when he came out – what he’s doing is giving us a trickle effect of soft disclosure. i don’t believe the govt is ever, ever, ever going to say exactly what this is – they can’t because that means they’re taking a stand when they do. our govt is very particular about that. what they’ll do – and this is what im seeing – is theyre feeding us this infromation and mostly along the line that they want us to hear. They want us to make the decision on what this is. We’re going to dump all this on the table – you tell me what it is. Tha’s the way disclosure is going to happen. They’re never going to give you a final say about what they believe it is. That’s why they changed the verbiage to non-human intelligence, they’re no longer saying ET. Juts like that did with the term UFO to UAP. So, this whole thing has been a conditioning and it’s following their narrative. this is like a movie, what we’re seeing here – a movie being reinacted. Have you ever seen the movie, Inception, with leonardo dicaprio. The purpose in that movie, what they were trying to do – a crew of these peopel were hired to go into this businessman’s dream state – these guys have the ability to go into a person’s dream level, and give information. they were hired because they wanted to get this Japanese businessman to make a decision a certain way. The only way they could convince him was to make him believe the idea was his. His own idea, he will own it and he will do it. So they were hired to go into his dreamstate to suggest to him, that this is his idea. We’re seeing the exact same thing playing out right now. They’re wanting us to come up with the answer, so when we do that, we own that answer. You’re going to half the country saying, “this is ET”, they’re not going to say these are spirits – these are people who are non-Christian. On the Christian side, we’re saying this is demonic – we know what this is because it mirrors everthing the bible has been telling us. It’s going to split this country right down the middle and it’s going to make all the Christians look like we’re ignorant fools. This is what we’re already seeing. It’s already coming out in the verbiage.
M: This idea of insertion of thoughts, when you look at MK-Ultra and how it parallels SRA and you look at the fact that maybe the military, in some of these cases, has been planted in UFO abductees. – everything they’re remembering. Who knows what the government is fiddling around with?
J: I’m seeing the same thing. You mentioned MK-Ultra, if you watch these guys that were involved in MK-U, give the explanation of how it works, well that’s what’s happening now. This whole this is a psy-op.
M: Well, you know you do have some people like Vance and some people in the Defense Dept., who are saying it’s probably demonic, but their voices aren’t dominant.
J: Well, if it comes to a point where they’ve done everything they can, they’ve given us all the information for us to be able to make our own decision. When that split comes, and people believe – Vance is going to be in trouble. I think he’s just cosst himself a presidency by saying this.
M: Speaking of the coast of Florida, you know that little much ballyhood UAP off of and taken on by Navy – do you think that was just drones or spiritual aspect?
J: I think there’s a whole lot of both going on. Somebodies got a whole bunch of technology. I think we got one gourp that’s playng another. there was a gentlemen on this interview that was building this stuff and he said “no, that was us. We were just testing to see what everybody else would think about it.” They said they were playing the games with the navy and the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
M: did you ever see that interview with Mike Herrara? That certainly argues that we’ve got technology way beyond what people think. And it’s hidden from the top most aspects of the military, too.
J: Well, you know that it has to be. I understand that part of it. My dad was career military – career army. And there were a lot of situations where he could not talk about what he did. I understand the importance of secrecy, especially in defense of your country. If we hae this tech, any tech, once we make it know to the rest of the world, someone else betters it right away. Could we have stuff like this, I think we do. It has to be kept secret. The best kept secret is to let us think its something else. That’s been happening since 1947.
M: Are you still doing your ministry with people who have claimed abduction with UFO experiences? How many people have you dealt with who have successfully cast it away in the name of Jesus?
J: Well, I used to try and keep count, but it got so busy over the years, I’ve got number and numbers. Last I would say, I’ve dealt with well over 700 experiencers in 30 years. And you know what’s interesting, we didn’t have this social media, which was exploding 10 years, especially 20 years ago or 30 years ago, so what’s happening now. I get on thes interviews, and youtube has a comment section, What I like to do is go into the comment section about 2 weeks later and look at the comments. What im seeing in eveery single one of them is a numbe rof people who never come across my work before saying , “that’s my testimony”.
I’m seeing more and more that are willing to say that where they kept it secret before because the secular media don’t want to hear it, thank you Jesus, now I can tell someone the truth. I had this but I’ve terminated it with my relationship with Jesus Christ.
M: Of those 700 or so, what percentage have casted out in the name of Jesus and stopped it? What would you estimate?
J: I’ve had that many testify that’s what they have done. What’s interesting is how many were Christians and how many were not, before it happened. That’s what’s interesting. It works for non-believers, too.
And the reason it works for non-believers is non-believers are non-followers. In this modern day, you’d be hardpressed in this modern-day to find any American who doesnt’ know how Jesus Christ is. So, when they’re in the fox hole and the bombs are coming down around them, last resort, theyre going to fall back on something whether they believed it or not. This is worth a try. “Lord, help me.” And he said He would be there if you called on Him. And people have seen this happened, and it makes a change in them. I’ve seen testimonies that say they never believed it was real, until I called on Him and He was there.
M: You were partnered with that fellow at Roswell
J: I’ll be back with him this summer. It’s a follow up to the one we did in 2009.
M: Why do you think New Mexico is such a hot spot for demonic activity, is it the old Indian stuff – portals they opened?
J: NM is not big on sightings what’s happened there is Roswell became the mecca of all of this. It was the myth that’s driving the whole phenomena. It’s not a big hot spot.
M: also, the Dulcy thing.
J: the interesting thing with Dulcy – I’ve got a man on the ground in Dulcy who happens to be christian researcher. Noreo lives in Albuquerque and he’s investigated the whole Dulcy area and the DA, peopel don’t realize unless they go there and look at it, laptop warrirors. that whole area that supposedly has an underground base there, is an Indian reservation, for one. … The whole area there of Dulcy – the four corners – something happened there. That’s the center of the cattle mutilation happened. What’s interesting I covered this in a talk in Taiwan looking into the cattle mutilation. Looking at the time when all of this exploded – 1965-66-67, that’s a key thing to look at. That’s a red flag, right there. There was a operation that happened there called Operation Gasbuggy. That was aprogram that was happening there by the US Army. the Army was asked to help these contractors use a new tech to frack for oil. Well, somebody came up with the idea is to rattle the ground to make the oil come out, and how about we do an underground nuke? So OG. was an underground nuke explosion to see if it would work for fracking for oil – under the indian reservation at the location of Dulcy. If y ou look at a map of all the cattle mut took place, you see a pattern. It starts very heavy around the four corners and starts to dissapite as you go further out. And it actually follows wind pattern across the US. Then it hit me about the missing soft tissue. why soft tissue? What would somebody be looking for in soft tissue? Soft tissue is where you look for radiation. Why these animals? These animals are ground grazers. They did an underground blast. What they were concerned about was hopefully they didn’t cause any damage to indians on the reservation. They’ve been testing all this time.
M: Old Route 66 and went across the Navajo reservation nAZ and there are proligate reports of UFOs, Bigfoot, werewolves, dogman, apparitions of “ghosts”, who panaply of phenomena. UFOs and linked to bigfoot, old indian sites of rituals, etc. What did you think of Bob Lazar?
J: Bob Lazar I have not doubt he saw something and I have no doubt he is being played, He’s being used, he’s a tool. did he see something extraterrestrial? I do not think that’s what he saw. I think he saw stuff that is ours. And they want us to keep the narrative that we believe it’s extraterrestrial. We’ve been doing the cover-up for the gov’t. They’re allowing us to do it.
M: When you think of these advanced vehicles, like Herrara saw, -is that coming from S4 area or other parts of the country?
J: Probably other places. There might be some there at S4, don’t know. I know that keep that place there pretty darn secret… I had a buddy there a few years ago, must be quite a few years now, I was working on Merritt Island for Searay boat company at the time. I remember when Time magazine published that photo of Area 51 spy plane, and NY Times published it. I had the magazine with me and I brought it to work and I had set it down on the desk where I was working one of the ?? guys came by and he was looking at the magazine and he picked it up and starts scratching his head. I said, “You know what that is?” and he goes, “No, but I’ve been there.” And I’m going, “What?” He goes, ” I was Air Force, i was a firefighter off San Diego.” He said, I was twice on temporary duty, they took their firehouse guys and they all went on temporary duty together to a location they did not know where they went. They put them on a plane, you couldn’t see out the windows, they arrived there. They were on a runway, he know it was desert area. He said anytime a plane was to take off or land, they have to go inside, close all the windows, and they had shutters on the windows, so they couldn’t see what was coming in or taking off. They were there to respond if there was an accident. He said he never knew where he was at, but he started to look at the layout of the buildings, he started naming the buildings, he said that’s a PX, that’s a cafeteria, there was a medical room where they had doctors and stuff there, for everybody that was working there. He said, I never knew what this was, and he said, I’m looking right at where I had been.
M: They really compartmentalized the information. Another thing, Joe, this idea of hybrids, nephilim – what do you make of this? Do you think there are this do you think of giants of Kandahar or a bunch of bunk.
J: Bunch of bunk – this is such a thorn in my side. This whole thing – this whole narrative about the nephilim, is a distraction. If you think back 40 years, did you hear any of this? {not the hybrid) The whole thing about the nephilim, was not part of your theology 40 years ago. No, exactly. when did it come about? I can pinpoint it back to a gentleman, a christain reseacher pastor and former intelligence, Chuck Misler – published a book on UFO phen back in 1996. he spoke about his book at festival in Roswell, in 1997. In his book, is where he makes the connection, he’s the one “as in the days of Noah.” looks like the abduction experinec is nirroring whta we see in Genesis 6:4. The whole idea about the hybrids started right there, on the Christian perspecitive. Where did he get the info about hybrids…from secular researcher – [temple univ]. He’s the one that was getting the stories under hypnotic regression, people recording the hybrid stuff. that’s when it first came out. Chuck took that work from his and says, this is valid research, it’s got to be real because the bible is mirrored in Genesis 6:4. first of all my reseach of 30 years of the abduction experience shows that it’s not a true life experience, people are not being taking through their ceilings, through the walls up to the craft and things being done to them. What’s happening here, and dr. carla turner? wrote about it beofre she passed away. she belived these beings were causing a virtual reality, They have the ability to make us see what thye want us to see. They can appear as what they want to appear. The whole thing was not physical/real life. A visionary type experience. She wasn’t using those terms because she wasn’t a christian. I believe the abduction exp is only a demonic, spiritual visionary exp implanted into our minds. Like St. Paul said, the battlefield is in the mind. This is why we have to be so careful, don’t free the mind, meditate on God’s word, you don’t do meditation like the Hindus. That’s leaving yourself open. This whole thing is pointing to a visionary, implanted exp, not a real life exp, there’s no hybrid exp. The whole hybrid thing serves another purpose, the abduction exp are primarily women. The way to control a woman is through the most powerful instinct they have and that’s the maternal instinct. These entities are using that to control that woman. If you have a woman and you convince her through this visionary exp that she was impregnanted, baby taken and later shown to her, they use the excuse they have no feelings, the baby needs feelings, because it’s hybrid. All of this is used to control that woman. I will tell you over the years iv’e worked with thesee exp, they are the hardest to bring to the truth.
M: is there much crossover btw those who remember under regression ufo abduction and sra?
J: yes there’s a connection, big time. I believe this is the strong delusion. What i see here is that anything that is outside of God’s word. The strong delusion is coming from, i like to use the analog to show Jepardy, door 1, 2, 3. This whole thing happens from open doors. you aske dfor it , you unknowling dabbling with something you weren’t supposed to , or your parents no spiriutla coverings, opened the door. I can take people back to one or a combo of the three.
M: what are top hotspots with MUFON reports?
J: it almost follows political lines democratic liberal areas are the highest numbers.
M: how about areas of witchcraft?
J: you’ll see all of that in those same areas. liberal areas, spiritism, open doors
M: Bledsoe, who conjures, that’s very occult to me.
J: he claims he’s a cristian,. He went and entitled his book. UFO of God. He believes it’s angelic – not a demonic angel. Not discerning, testing the spirits. His “angel” is an egyptian god.
M: out there in ranch were 1947 incident, any occult stuff?
J: yes,m there’s a lot of that out there. principalities, powers, no doubt spiritual stronghold over roswell. 65 christian churches that will not deal with roswell incident. Businesses
making money off this phenomenon.
M: 700 cases invoking the name of Jesus has stopped the abduction exp in general. is there one recent one that is particularly poignant?
J: We just releaeed a doc and offered for free on youtube, it’s called Deception. book (Piercing the cosmic veil) powerful testimony, jason, listen to his story – ufo and abduction site. only 4 experiencers and their testimonies.
Jason – ufo/abduction Janet: former psychic Dana: former ghost hunter and former spiritist This is all connected…same thing across the board..same forces behind it.
one connection that runs across all of the paranormal – dead people dead relatives, info from dead people,
M: near death expeiencers, mimic abduction – do some have legit exp
J: got really test them
M: David Jacobs – refuse to look at the Christian angle. Jacobs uses 100% hypnosis.
J: That flawed secular research made the conntction with Chuck Misler’s research. And now we have the whole nephilim gospel
M: John Mack’s book – died in London. series of unfort events and see that with Spielberg’s accidents with movie actors.
J: Guy who went into the prison and he was possessed with movie, Nefarious. the stuff that went on with that filming.
M: Bigelow – skinwalker ranch phen coming home with him. poltergeist phen in the house seems obvious
J: Tucker Carlson – don’t want us to look at the spiritual side. my 2 cents of this is what i saw back in college in the 70s with classes with overthrowing govt,
coup de t’at – the way communist part took over from the czar – certian things to contol the population. You have to get rid of opiate of the masses – Religion.
or make a state church. one world religious, coexist, this is what I’m seeing here – this is how you make this work. It’s about power.
M:
Krzysztof Pen
UFO: A Spiritual Perspective
Authors such as Father Seraphim Rose, as well as contemporary monks from Mount Athos, have analyzed accounts of individuals who claim to have had contact with UFOs and have pointed to a striking resemblance between these experiences and classic demonic oppression.
When the symptoms of so-called “close encounters” are compared with patristic descriptions — that is, descriptions from the Church Fathers — regarding the activities of evil spirits, the similarities cease to appear coincidental.
1. Paralysis and Loss of Free Will
People reporting encounters with “aliens” almost always describe a state of total paralysis, accompanied by a panicked, metaphysical dread.
In the Orthodox tradition, this is considered a typical symptom of an encounter with a fallen angel. Unlike God’s angels, a fallen spirit violates human free will and evokes terror rather than peace.
2. Strange Physical Marks
UFO encounters are often said to leave behind burns, scars, or strange implants.
From a spiritual perspective, the Desert Fathers described how demons, possessing a certain power over matter, could inflict physical suffering and leave marks on the body in order to validate their deceptive nature.
The goal is to make the person believe he is dealing with a being “of this world,” rather than with a spirit.
3. The Phenomenon of “Missing Time”
Witnesses often lose memory of what occurred over several hours.
From an Orthodox diagnosis, this resembles a mediumistic trance or a temporary possession, in which consciousness is displaced by a foreign entity.
Unclean spirits operate outside our normal experience of time and can manipulate a victim’s perception, creating “holes” in his life story.
4. Fruits of Contact: Despair and Confusion
According to the Gospel principle, “you will know them by their fruits,” contact with God or His angels leads to repentance, love, and clarity of mind.
Contact with UFOs, by contrast, almost always results in troubling fruits, such as the disintegration of spiritual life, fascination with occultism and “New Age” theories, depression, severe mental disturbance, and, in some cases, suicidal thoughts.
These are the fruits typically associated with long-term demonic oppression.
5. The False Promise of “Gnosis”
UFOs often convey “secret knowledge” to witnesses about saving the planet, human origins, or an impending shift in consciousness.
From the standpoint of Orthodox theology, this is a repetition of the temptation in Eden: “You shall be as gods.”
Evil spirits offer knowledge intended to replace faith in Divine Revelation.
Summary
The aforementioned Orthodox authors argue that UFOs are the “technological mask” of ancient demons.
Since modern man no longer believes in a devil with horns, the evil spirit takes the form of an “alien with a laser,” because this is more credible to the contemporary mind.
What the Pentagon calls an “anomalous phenomenon,” Orthodoxy calls a “war for souls.”
Instead of interplanetary communication, we may be witnessing an invasion of human conscience, aimed at persuading humanity that God is unnecessary because we have “older brothers in the cosmos.”
Is this “missing element” — the analysis of spiritual effects on witnesses — intentionally omitted from official military reports in order to avoid a religious trail?
Likely not intentionally. More likely, it is omitted because of a lack of Christian awareness.
The Power of the Name of Jesus
One of the strongest arguments in this theological framework appears in accounts of those who say they have experienced “abductions.”
1. The Command in the Name of Jesus — The Key “Test”
This theme has been extensively documented by Christian researchers, including Joe Jordan, who worked with MUFON.
They have collected numerous accounts in which the “abduction” experience ended instantly when the victim began to invoke the Name of Jesus Christ.
From an Orthodox perspective, this is definitive proof.
If these were physical beings — biological entities from another planet — a religious formula should have no more effect on them than it would on a human being of another faith.
But if they are spiritual beings — demons — then the Name of Jesus is “fire,” before which, according to Scripture, every knee must bow.
As Saint Paul writes, “at the name of Jesus every knee should bow” (Philippians 2:10).
If a UFO vanishes after an exorcistic invocation, its nature is not merely extraterrestrial. It is spiritual — and fallen.
2. Manifestation Instead of Construction
The observation that a UFO “looks like a manifestation” strikes near the heart of the matter.
Rather than behaving like a stable, logical vehicle, a UFO often exhibits the characteristics of a projection.
Its form is unstable. Objects change shape, merge, and split, echoing descriptions of the “deceptive images” demons showed to holy ascetics in the desert.
Witnesses also describe “aliens” passing through walls.
From this perspective, such behavior is not advanced physics, but the nature of pure spirit, which is not limited by matter in the same way we are.
3. Why Do They Do It?
Orthodox authors explain that the goal of these manifestations is to prepare humanity for the Antichrist.
If people come to believe that “saviors” have arrived from space, they will more easily accept someone who comes with “miraculous powers” and advanced technology, claiming to have created or guided humanity.
It is an attempt to replace humility before God with fascination for the power of fallen angels disguised as “cosmic engineers.”
Final Reflection
To someone looking only at radar, it is an “unidentified object.”
To someone who knows spiritual tradition and the power of the Name of Jesus, it is an old enemy in a new mask.
The fact that these beings reportedly flee from the Name of God is perhaps the most tangible proof of what we are truly dealing with.
It is remarkable when one can connect these dots — from government footage to the deepest prayerful and theological experiences.
In a world increasingly rejecting God, will this “cosmic mask” of evil become even more brazen and visible?
Let us hope not.