That’s interesting but not why we spoke to him.
The discussion was spurred by Jordan’s amazing journey from an investigator for MUFON (the Mutual UFO Network, a nationwide group of serious secular researchers) to a man who became a Christian after investigating hundreds of alleged “alien” abductions that were miraculously halted when those involved invoked the Name of Jesus.
During thirty-two years of research, he has amassed about seven hundred abduction cases in which those who called out to either Christ or God claimed the supernatural incident immediately ended without further harm.
Excerpts from the interview:
SD: With all the recent reports of what they also call UAPs, and the government “disclosures,” have you changed any of your views?
Jordan: No, not at all, it’s just been reinforced even more. The things you were just talking about—those are things that I call red flags in ufology—are things that don’t make sense, things that make you stop and go well, lets take a differnet look at this. I just published a book with that title, Red Flags of Ufology, at the beginning of this year. I’ve got forty chapters in there of things that don’t make sense. But when you take all those things that don’t make sense, and you put it all together to make a picture, it starts to make more sense than what they’re trying to sell us with their narrative.
SD: What about these alleged alien crashes, the one that supposedly occured in the 1930s in Italy, and 1941 in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, in 1945 at Trinity, New Mexico, and then the Roswell crash, followed by yet another in Aztec, New Mexico. What do you make of the phsyicality?
Jordan: We don’t have any evidence and they’re not producing anything to show us they have physicality, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or it can’t exist. Looking at this biblically, I believe such evidence can exist. If this is demonic in nature, do they have the ability to leave something that’s physical? Can a manifestation remain? That’s the question: A spiritual manifestation into the physical. Looking at it from the abilities in Scripture of God’s messenger angels—yes, I believe they leave this.
What I see this whole thing as, from a biblical perspective, is the effect it has on people is mirroring everything we see in scripture from 2nd Thessalonians, Chapter Two: the strong delusion. Everything that we’re seeing fits that.
SD: In alien encounters, there is often the smell of sulphur, occult phenomena, materialization. We know angels turn physical at times; there are “mysterious strangers”; there is “angel dust,” left phsically; the list is pretty long. It’s interesting to see this movie by Steven Spielberg, “Disclosure Day,” which seems kind of suspicious the way it’s coming out right now. What do you think of that—do you think elements of the goverment were coordinating with him?
Jordan: Its a good possibility. Can we prove it? I don’ think we can, unless somebody comes out and says that. But it looks like it; at the minimum, he’s taking advantage of this particular time. He could have put this movie out at any time. He’s the one—he’s the moneymaker; this whole thing is about money for him; it’s not about truth. He’s going to say whatever it takes to get ticket sales.
SD: So far we havent’ been impressed with what the governement has released.
Jordan: Well, you’re not going to be. They don’t have the evidence and here’s the thing about disclosure, the way I see it: They have a narrative that they’re pushing and it’s not a good-looking narrative, if you are a Christian, because the way they are doijng this disclosure, I’ve seen this before. Keep in mind, all these whistleblowers, all these big names behind disclosure movement, they are all former intelligence. That ought to tell you something.
These are the guys that have been paid to become professionals at deceiving and we’re supposed to trust them all. That’s what we’re up against. What we’re seeing here and Luis Elizondo is the best example of it—he is genius, whoever trained him—because he’s done a great job. But, I started seeing it right from the beginning when he came out—what he’s doing is giving us a trickle effect of soft disclosure.
I don’t believe the govt is ever, ever, ever going to say exactly what this is. They can’t because that means they’re taking a stand when they do. Our government is very particular about that. What they’ll do—and this is what im seeing—is they’re feeding us this infromation and mostly along the line that they want us to hear. They want us to make the decision on what this is. “We’re going to dump all this on the table and you tell me what it is.” That’s the way disclosure is going to happen. They’re never going to give you a final say about what they believe it is.
“That’s why they changed the verbiage to “non-human intelligence”; they’re no longer saying “E.T.” Just like that did with the term UFO to UAP. So, this whole thing has been a conditioning and it’s following their narrative. You’re going to half the country saying, “This is E.T.” They’re not going to say these are spirits. These are people who are non-Christian.
On the Christian side, we’re saying this is demonic—we know what this is because it mirrors everthing the Bible has been telling us. It’s going to split this country right down the middle and it’s going to make all the Christians look like we’re ignorant fools. This is what we’re already seeing. It’s already coming out in the verbiage.
SD: This idea of insertion of thoughts: when you look at MK-Ultra [a secret CIA mind-control program] and how it paralleled ‘Satanic Ritual Abuse,’ and you look at the fact that maybe the military in some of these cases has planted false thoughts in UFO ‘abductees’—everything they’re remembering—who knows what the government is fiddling around with?
Jordan: I’m seeing the same thing. You mentioned MK-Ultra: if you watch these guys that were involved in MK-Ultra give the explanation of how it works—well, that’s what’s happening now. This whole this is a psy-op.
SD: Well, you know you do have some people like Vance and some people in the Defense Department who are saying it’s probably demonic, but their voices aren’t dominant.
Jordan: Well, if it comes to a point where they’ve done everything they can, they’ve given us all the information for us to be able to make our own decision, when that split comes, and many people believe in extraterrestrials, Vance is going to be in trouble. I think he’s just cosst himself a presidency by saying this.
SD: Speaking of the coast of Florida, you know that little much ballyhood UAP off of and taken on by Navy—do you think that was just drones or spiritual aspect?
Jordan: I think there’s a whole lot of both going on. Somebody’s got a whole bunch of technology. I think we’ve got one group that’s playing another. There was a gentlemen on this interview that was building this stuff and he said “no, that was us. We were just testing to see what everybody else would think about it.” They said they were playing the games with the Navy and the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
Notes Jordan’s organization, Alien Resistance, “We once had the same questions as you, and now we freely share the answers to those questions. Deceptive spiritual entities are posing as modern day “aliens”, bringing tormenting experiences into the lives of individuals, and offering a false gospel message, in opposition to the true message of Jesus Christ.”
[resources: Lying Wonders, Strangest Things]