In a 2022 interview with Gayle King on CBS Mornings, Melinda Gates—a practicing Catholic (if also a pro-choicer)—did not mince words.

She confirmed that she’d met Jeffrey Epstein—and that the encounter left her shaken to the core. As she put it, “I also met Jeffrey Epstein exactly one time, because I wanted to see who this man was.

“And I regretted it the second I stepped in the door.

“He was abhorrent. He was evil personified.

“I had nightmares about it afterward.”